Weekend Madman

Friday-Sunday, July 15-17, 2005





Is it just me, or does anyone else find it amazing that our government can track a cow born in Canada almost three years ago, right to the stall where she sleeps in the state of Washington. And they tracked her calves to their stalls. But they are unable to locate 11 million illegal aliens wandering around our country. Maybe we should give them all a cow.

They keep talking about drafting a Constitution for Iraq. Why don't we just give them ours? It was written by a lot of really smart guys, it's worked for over 200 years and
we're not using it anymore.

The real reason that we can't have the Ten Commandments in a Courthouse? You cannot post "Thou Shalt Not Steal," "Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery" and "Thou Shall Not Lie" in a building full of lawyers, judges and politicians! It creates a hostile work environment!

And Last but not least.....
George Carlin said it best about Martha Stewart .. "Boy, I feel a lot safer now that she's behind bars. O.J. Simpson and Kobe Bryant are still walking around; Osama Bin Laden too, but they take the one woman in America willing to cook, clean and work in the yard, and haul her butt off to jail!"

-Carl Forino


Think About It


If you truly want to know the mindset of our Muslim "allies" in the Middle East, then how do you explain this?


Muslim Clerics have still not issued a "Fatwa" against Osama bin-Laden or al Qaeda even now, almost four years after the mostly Saudi terrorists perpetrated the worst act of terror on American Soil ever. However, they're still after Salman Rushdie for writing a book.


-Perry Greenberg


Saudi Arabia and other US "allies" support schools called "Madrassas" to poison the minds of their children against the west. The Bush administration is too weak and much too close to these "allies" to see the truth... that THESE are the REAL enemies of the Untied States and until we stop the likes of our FAKE ALLIES in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, we will never truly be safe. -NG

Can He Feel a Hand Up His...?


The best characterization I have heard of the Rove/Wilson matter was on the radio, but it went by so fast that I can't cite the source. My best guess is that it was on Al Franken's program on Air America, on Friday 8 July 05:

"Bush's firing Karl Rove would be tantamount to Charlie McCarthy firing Edgar Bergen".

Carroll S. Rankin

A congressman who IS a Rocket Scientist

Rush Holt on Rove-Gate: The case is not about Rove, said Rep. Rush Holt, D-New Jersey, who called for a probe that would compel senior administration officials to turn over records relating to the disclosure that Valerie Plame was a CIA officer. "This ... is about holding the executive branch accountable for a breach of national security."
-Rush Holt

 China, Our "Friend"?

"If the Americans draw their missiles and position-guided ammunition onto the target zone on China's territory, I think we will have to respond with nuclear weapons".

-Maj. Gen. Zhu Chenghu, a senior general in the China's making a  bellicose statement

"We Chinese will prepare ourselves for the destruction of all of the cities east of Xian [in central China]. Of course the Americans will have to be prepared that hundreds ... of cities will be destroyed by the Chinese."

-Maj. Gen. Zhu Chenghu

Well now, this is not exactly the words of a friendly trading partner. Our leaders need to face reality about China:

1. Communist China is a dictatorship and in fact have gotten worst over the past few years.
2.  Communist China has not lived up to any trade agreement including the WTO. In particular, they have not addressed human rights issues, labor reform, democratic reform, copyright piracy, currency valuation issues.
3. Communist China plans to de-industrialize the United States and make us financially dependent on them - to date, this plan is working quite nicely!
4. Communist China have intentions to take over Taiwan one way or the other.

We should drop "Most Favored" nation status and put a 27.5% tariff on their imports now. We need a crash program to reduce the debt and new laws to restrict foreign investment in our debt. We absolutely should not permit the sale of any US company when our national security is at risk - that includes UNOCAL.

-Robert Scardapane

Health Care

Still no medical coverage for about 45 million Americans. I feel it necessary to repeat this almost every day. But, you'll be interested to know, "G"lobal "W"arming Bush is starting a brand new $30,000 a day tour to convince elderly Americans that the Medicare drug benefit is a good thing for them. It can be a good thing IF you make less than $11,300 per year. If not, here is what the drug "Benefit" will mean to an average, elderly American with about $500 per month RETAIL drug costs. We use RETAIL drug costs as a barometer because,  unlike the Veterans Administration, Medicare, will NOT be able to negotiate drug prices, BY LAW!

So, "Grandma" will have to pay almost $4,000 per year out of her $6,000 per year drug costs. The complete story and chart could be found at:

-Noah Greenberg

More "Truth"

Lieutenant-General Michael Moseley said that in 2002 and early 2003 allied aircraft flew 21,736 sorties, dropping more than 600 bombs on 391 “carefully selected targets” before the war officially started.,,2087-1669640,00.html

President "G"lobal "W"arming Bush and his "G"reedy "O"ld "P"arty has not only made it worse over there, they have made it indefinitely and infinitely so.

-Noah Greenberg

What If...

I think that Saudi Arabia should stand up and take responsibility for the actions of their citizens. To that end, we,
the people of the United States of America should insist that "G"lobal "W"arming Bush "freeze" the assets of the Saudi Royal Family here in the United States. That $1 to $3 trillion could come in handy for those of US here left speechless by the after-effects of 9/11.

-Noah Greenberg

Media Madman

Both the Washington Post and the New York Times today have sources telling them that Karl Rove was indeed one of the sources Robert Novak talked to for his column outing a CIA NOC agent. From the Washington Post version:

White House senior adviser Karl Rove indirectly confirmed the CIA affiliation of an administration critic's wife for Robert D. Novak the week before the columnist named her and revealed her position, a lawyer involved in the case said last night.

The operative, Valerie Plame, is the wife of Joseph C. Wilson IV, a former ambassador who had publicly disputed the White House's contention that Saddam Hussein had sought to buy uranium from Niger for possible use in a nuclear weapon.

The lawyer, who has knowledge of the conversations between Rove and prosecutors, said President Bush's deputy chief of staff has told investigators that he first learned about the operative from a journalist and that he later learned her name from Novak.

Rove has said he does not recall who the journalist was who first told him that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA, or when the conversation occurred, the lawyer said.

But there's a whole bunch of other information tucked into that. First off, when two competing papers get the same highly specific story on the same day, that's not an accident. The story was shopped to them both.

Second, the story was shopped by "a lawyer" who had "knowledge" of Rove's testimony to prosecutors.

Third, this particular story is the only chain of events which even has the slightest possibility of keeping Karl Rove out of prison. (And even then, it's touch and go, given Novak's own, shall we say, inconsistencies in describing how and when he got the information.)

So I'll give you three guesses which "lawyer" shopped this info out, and the first two guesses don't count. Here's a hint: it's also someone who, when defending the innocence of a money laundering suspect, accepted payment in the form of gold bars and transfers from a Swiss bank account.

This is part of a concerted effort to walk the Rove defense back to arguing over the narrowest part of the case -- whether or not the special counsel can prove a felony on the part of Rove himself, and presuming for the moment that he can't, painting Rove's known involvement with the Plame case as some sort of heroism instead of the petty, flatulent thuggery Rove is famous for. We're supposed to believe that outing undercover agents is now the heroic move to take, if someone close to them writes an op-ed in a newspaper that the White House doesn't like.

Given the brutally uncomfortable recent revelations that a politicized leak on the part of the U.S. government, describing a then-ongoing classified intelligence effort -- coinciding with the Democratic National Convention, no less -- managed to blow that intelligence effort and in all likelihood led to the escape of some of those that just successfully carried out the terrorist attack in London, I don't think "heroic" is quite the right word for sabotaging undercover CIA networks working against WMD proliferation. I think treasonous sounds a lot closer to the mark.

Setting all that aside, here's where we're at. We now know Karl Rove was one of the sources in Novak's column. We know he talked to Novak on the 8th, two days after Wilson's op-ed appeared that rocked the White House and caused them to admit, on the 7th, that the uranium claims the President cited in his case for war, were false.

Nevertheless, for the last two years the White House claimed repeatedly that Karl Rove, by name, was not involved with the case. We know that to be patently untrue.

So the question remains. There remain only two possibilities: either the President of the United States knew about Rove's involvement with the Plame case, and lied to the country, or Karl Rove lied to the President about his involvement.

The President must respond to these events. This isn't about the criminal investigation. This is about Karl Rove's already known involvement -- and the White House having lied about it for two years.
-The Daily Kos

-Forwarded by Robert Scardapane

In response to the judge in the Shoe Bomber case, Michael Patmas writes:

I love what that judge had to say. gave me shivers it was so good. good thing I'm not a judge. had I heard Reid say "I'm at war with your country"...I would of hung his (butt) on the spot.

And in response to Senator Rick Santorum's statement about those liberal, gay and pedophile inhabitants of Massachusetts, Michael Patmas writes:

I don't think Santorum is so far off base. Boston, like SF, NYC and other bastions of progressive thinking is filled with dozens of legal gay porn spots where hundreds of men have anonymous high risk, unprotected sex with other men...not very smart in the age of HIV. Yet, a key centerpiece of the progressive agenda is the legalization and promotion of such businesses and lifestyles including advocating for adults having gay sex with children. That the Catholic Church has become a sanctuary for pedophiles bankrupting some archdiocese and since Boston is the epicenter of that scandal...I don't have much difficulty connecting those dots....

That's a reason I love Utah. Better snow, nicer people, cleaner living. No gay porn peep shows on every corner like SF.

So here are some links for Michael, in case he ever gets back to Utah:

Gay Utah! Community Links
Blue Place PFLAG Salt Lake City Chapter
Frontrunners / Frontwalkers Utah Royal Court of the Golden Spike Empire
Gay and Lesbian Families of Utah Sacred Light of Christ Metropolitan Community Church
Gay and Lesbian Community Center of Utah Salt Lake Men's Choir
Gay and Lesbian Political Action Committee Stonewall Coffee Co.
4 Gay Utah Swerve
Gay Utah Utah AIDS Foundation
Gay/Straight Animal Rights Alliance Utah Democratic Gay and Lesbian Caucus
Lambda Hiking Club Utah FemBiWay
Lavender Tribe Utah Gay Rodeo Association
LDS Gay Youth Utah Pride
The Little Lavender Book Utahns for Fairness
The Metropolitan Community Church of Bridgerland Wasatch Affirmation
Out in Salt Lake City Western Transsexual Network

-The First Return from a search using the words "gay" and "Utah"

Then Michael Patmas responded:

Sure. There are some there (in Utah) too. But what you DON'T have is a porn shop on every corner with "peep" shows that promote anonymous sex. If you haven't been to SF, Seattle, LA or Portland should see the proliferation of these businesses. There are hundreds. They draw sickos and spread STD's. Utah and Idaho has some gays no doubt. The difference is, in the cities I mention...they ram their sexual lifestyle down the publics' throat (nice visual -NG) and are staunchly protected by the liberal political establishment. Remember what 42nd street used to look like? It's here. and its worse.

So I forwarded a list of registered sex offenders from just one Salt Lake City, Utah zip code and one New York city zip code that I know is highly populated, very liberal and has a large gay community:
Here is the count of that zip code ( I picked it randomly) in Utah vs. the one zip code in New York City (I would have used a Boston zip code, but they don't separate their sexual offender list that way):
Zip Code 84010 in salt Lake City, Utah = 30 Registered Sex Offenders
Zip Code 10025 in New York City's highly populated Upper West Side = 16 Registered Sex Offenders

Hey! That's just about two sickos in Utah for every one sicko in New York!

-Noah Greenberg

Here's another great quote from the Watergate era:

"Forget the myths the media's created about the White House. The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand."
-Deep Throat (Hal Holbrook), "All the President's Men" (1976)

Has anything changed in 30 years?

-Eddie Konczal

Yeah, Eddie. These guys got smarter. They've learned how to manipulate, and even own the media. Now they are truly dangerous.


-Noah Greenberg

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-Noah Greenberg